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Title: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: Carl on 2005-11-16 05:33 am
I have written a piece in key of C.  I want to change it to Eb (3 flats) and so I go to Tools|Transpose - 3 semi tones - OK.  It moves all the notes correctly, but places flats beside them and doesn't change the key signature at all.  I do not know where I am going wrong.  Can someone help me?  I have this happen is several pieces - all except the very first piece I entered.  If I transpose it, everything works properly.
Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: Rick G. on 2005-11-16 06:11 am
Make sure you have a key signature, even if the key is C major.

The only exception might be a percussion track.

You may also notice that if you save the file as a midi, every track takes the key sig of the first track.
Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: John Ford on 2005-11-16 09:15 am
Yeah, what Rick said.  It's a common error.  When something is in the key of C, it's easy not to actually set a key signature at the beginning "to the key of C", since it looks like it's already there (well, no sharps or flats, okay).

Just go to the beginning of the staff, press the "g" key on the keyboard, and select "C" from the popup menu.  NWC will insert a non-printing natural sign as an indication that the piece is in the key of "C".

Hope this helps, and don't feel bad.  I would bet that we've all done this at one point or another.
Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: John Ford on 2005-11-16 09:17 am
I'm sorry, I hate replying to my own replies, but I meant to say hit the "k" key to change the "key" of the piece.  It's too early in the morning here and the coffee is just now finishing brewing.  Hopefully my brain will actually be engaged shortly.

John
Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: Rob den Heijer on 2005-11-16 09:57 am
I hope your brain will be engaged to a beautiful brain.
Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: Ewan Harwood on 2005-11-16 08:21 pm
What's the world coming [abbr=Grammar Police:  Is this a preposition?  Am I allowed to use this word here?  Is there some sort of grammar-prison I will have to go to?  Oops, have I done it again?]to[/abbr]?  Short engagements!  Marrying for beauty!!  There'll be tears before bedtime!!!
Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: Rob den Heijer on 2005-11-16 09:42 pm
Yes, tears of laughter, thanks. Nearly bedtime anyway, in the Amsterdam timezone.
Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: Robin Withey on 2005-11-17 08:40 am
Yes, Ewan - "To what is the world coming?"
I think only the most pedantic of grammar police (like my Grammar - um, I mean, Grandma!) would take issue with you on this one!

Robin
Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: Graham R. on 2005-11-17 04:47 pm
Ewan, I'm going to allow that one.
It's idiomatic.
[I've been out on the town having drinks with the boys, so I'm feeling generous.]
Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: datkind on 2005-11-18 11:26 am
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Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: Robin Withey on 2005-11-18 12:07 pm
datkind - It's either German or Yoda!
Title: Re: Transposing prob - changes notes not keys
Post by: Rob den Heijer on 2005-11-18 01:42 pm
Klingon?