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Title: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Fantini on 1996-12-09 05:00 am
How can I add appoggiaturas to the notes ? thanks
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Andrew Purdam on 1996-12-09 05:00 am
As far as I can tell, NWC doesn't do them, though I wish it did, as well as mordants, turns, trills and arpeggios. I imagine that they could all be done using the same sort of "engine", but that's a software problem for Noteworthy to solve.

In the meantime, the closest I've got is:

If you want it to SOUND right, you need to explicitly enter the notes eg a double dotted quaver followed by a demisemiquaver instead of a crotchet followed by the appoggiatura. This is a real pain.

If you want it to LOOK right, either export the page from the print dialog (in Print preview) either as a Windows Metafile or bitmap, and edit in what you need. As soon as NWC has alternative fonts for text, (and I think I heard that it is coming, but you'd need to check) this visual side will become much easier.

Andrew

of a crotchet on the previous
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Lora on 2002-09-08 03:35 pm
What is a appoggiaturas?
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: John Kavanagh on 2002-09-15 04:27 pm
What about the Grace Note function? They look like appoggiaturas, though they sound more like accaciaturas, which I've just realised I can't spell.

Lora, an appoggiatura is a grace note, usually a dissonant note - one that clashes with the sounding chord - that's played on the beat and then resolves by moving up or down to a consonant note. An acacciatura, or whatever, is played much faster, or even at the same time as the note it resolves to, but an appoggiatura is usually played as half or more of the value of the main note.
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: David Palmquist on 2002-09-15 06:25 pm
The appogiature is notated the way NWC shows a grace note on the staff - a smaller image of the note than the others.  It steals its full value from the value of the note following and starts when that main note would have started - i.e. a sixteenth note grace note ahead of a quarter note will start when the quarter note should have started, and the quarter will follow it a quarter of a beat later, taking up only the remainder of the one beat, i.e., as if it were a dotted eighth.

The other grace note, the acciatura, is a crushed note.  It is not supported yet in NWC.  It too is written in a smaller font than the surrounding notes, and has its stem struck through with a small slash.  This crushed note is played as quickly as possible, leaving the note it decorates to come in on time and keep its full value.  It's very effective, for instance, when you want to make low reed instruments sound as if they're the drone in celtic music, or to add an ornament to music that would otherwise sound a little stodgy.

Check out this source for explanations of musical terms:

http://www.dolmetsch.com/defsa.htm
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Fred Nachbaur on 2002-09-16 10:01 pm
Interesting sidelight; this thread is still active seven years after the original post - when grace notes were not yet supported in NWC!

My, how far we've come... thanks NWSoftware!
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Ned Frachbaur on 2002-09-16 10:06 pm
2002 minus 1996 = 7 years?
I think something's wrong with my fingers...
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Fred Nachbaur on 2002-09-17 01:01 am
Comes from being a musician, where an octave has seven notes...

:)
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: d justice on 2002-09-17 06:16 am
But, like in baseball, it is not complete until you have returned home, hence the eighth note
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Damon Mirglip on 2002-09-17 09:29 pm
The number of notes in an octave may be determined by using the formula (8 - 1) + 1.  In fact, any interval may be expressed as (x - 1) + 1.  Stack a few thirds [as in a 9th, 11th, or 13th chord], and the reason for this formula becomes apparent.  Without the formula, a third plus a third plus a third equals a ninth.  Now go try that on the piano.  Go ahead, I'll wait.
 

Okay, you back?
It's really a seventh, isn't it?  I had to come up with this "on the fly" when a student asked, "How come a third plus a third equals a fifth?  Shouldn't it be a sixth?"
I then figured I had better appease their sense of mathematics and come up with something quick.  Leave it to students to teach the teacher.
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: David Palmquist on 2002-09-18 07:07 am
Is it because "unison" is theoretically an interval of one?
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Marsu on 2002-09-18 10:20 am
Yes, since "Unison is when you shoot one of the two flutists", IIRC (cf. here (http://bandtek.com/geekhaven/flute.htm) for instance) ;-)

Where is the problem with 2002 minus 1996? It's seven years, not six, IMHO. Typically the problem with the fence and the poles, isn't it? At least, in 82 days it will be 7 years complete. No, 7 years and one day???

One octave is 8 notes (hence the name, octo=8), but there are 7 steps.
A third plus a fourth is a sixth because you would otherwise count two times the same note, for example A, B, C,C again, D, E, F :-)
Now I'm about to explain this to my little son... :)
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Michel Portier on 2002-09-18 10:50 pm
Okay, from 1996-12-09 to 1997-12-09 is one year.
From 1996-12-09 to 1998-12-09 is two years.
From 1996-12-09 to 1999-12-09 is three years.
From 1996-12-09 to 2000-12-09 is fours years.
From 1996-12-09 to 2001-12-09 is five years.
From 1996-12-09 to 2002-12-09 is six years.
So, from 1996-12-09 to 2002-09-16 is roughly five and three-quarters years.
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Marsu on 2002-10-01 10:11 am
Hey, who's that cousin I don't know yet ?? :)
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Marsu on 2002-10-01 10:15 am
Oh, and BTW, from 1996-12-09 to 1997-12-09 is one year plus one day...
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Robin Withey on 2002-10-01 09:55 pm
Well, if we're going to be pedantic, it depends on what time of day. From 1996-12-09 to the same time of day on 1997-12-09 is one year exactly. From the start of 1996-12-09 to the end of 1997-12-09 is one year and one day. Without any other information, I'd go for the former!

Robin
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Michel Portier on 2002-10-01 10:45 pm
Hey, who's that cousin I don't know yet ??
What are you talking about??
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Francis Beaumier on 2002-10-02 03:39 am
Marsu = Dominique Portier.
Title: Re: Appoggiaturas
Post by: Michel Portier on 2002-10-03 05:26 pm
Coincidence, perhaps?
All of my dad's family are in Canada (mostly Manitoba).
Are you French or Canadian?