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Messages - Rick G.

3251
General Discussion / Re: Bug: beta 2.05 Slur Print Preview
Quote from: fitzclan –
As far as aligning notes in staves with invisible notes in one staff and not in the other, ... the notes do not align properly. I can't imagine a use for this. It would only confuse the musician reading it.
Don't know about notes but rests are often treated this way. This would be a fairly standard way to present duples:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:6/8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Bass
|TimeSig|Signature:6/8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Text|Text:"2 "|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:-10|Justify:Center|Placement:BestFitForward
|Rest|Dur:16th|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Rest|Dur:16th|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Text|Text:"2   "|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:-10|Justify:Center|Placement:BestFitForward
|Rest|Dur:16th|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Rest|Dur:16th|Visibility:Never
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
3254
General Discussion / Bug: beta 2.05 Slur Print Preview
The first slur is not correct in File->Print Preview
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:b0|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
3255
General Discussion / Re: Noteworthy newsgroup?
Lawrie is right about the differences.

Posts in the nwc2beta group expire in about 3 months.  You can make a fool of yourself there without documenting it forever.  "Ratbags" can be killfiled so you never have to see them again. They seem to know this as I have yet to killfile anyone.
3256
General Discussion / Re: Serious bug in length of Whole Notes (But Not Rests)
Quote from: fitzclan –
I have never seen a whole rest used in conjunction with any other note in the same bar. 
It is quite common in 6/4 and 3/2

One oddity with NWC2.  I would think that if a measure consists only of a whole rest and grace notes, the rest should still be a whole measure rest, e.g.
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:C
|TimeSig|Signature:3/2
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:0
|Rest|Dur:Whole
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:Whole
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:0
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole,Dotted|Pos:1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Why a barline should stop a grace slur is another mystery ...
3258
General Discussion / NWCInfo Error
Running NWCINFO.EXE from nwcinfo2p1.zip on a current NWC2 file (temp.nwc) gives this:
Quote
Error: The file "temp.nwc" appears to be from a newer version of NoteWorthy Composer.
3260
General Discussion / Re: Special Endings and ties. Visual glitch
Example for Ewan:

Soloist sings Verse 1 and Chorus. The music is a melody line with arpeggiated accompianment.

Choir sings Verses 2-4 with Chorus. The music is Chords (harmony)
Each (choir) Chorus has a slightly different ending.

The verses are numbered. 1, 2, 3, 4

Surely, one would want the ending #'s to match the verse #'s

3261
General Discussion / Re: Special Endings and ties. Visual glitch
The workaround is simple enough.  You just make the Special ending on the top staff invisible and layer it with a dummy staff with a Visibility:Always Special Ending.  Check what ever you want in this Special Ending.  Playback will be off for the dummy staff.

I was just hoping that NWC2 could know that it should tie into the first Special Ending it encountered without requiring it to have 1st Ending checked.
3263
General Discussion / Re: Writing user scripts
Or you could search NWC2's help file for "User tools". The description of error codes and prompts is extensive.

Windows' Clipboard viewer will show you what the tool gets for STDIN with 2 exceptions:
  • A single item doesn't have begin/end tag lines
  • If nothing is selected, the tool gets the entire staff in STDIN
3264
General Discussion / Re: Special Endings and ties. Visual glitch
Quote from: Ewan Harwood –
Just out of curiosity, when would you use a 2nd-time ending without a first? 

  • In choral/vocal music, to have the ending match the verse
  • Where the first ending is on a different page in another file

Some use NWC only as a sequencer or a "thinking man's karioke machine".

Others actually print music and give it to musicians to play.  Some of these musicians actually like to make money, so practice and rehearsal is limited.  Clear flow details are crucial. If you have used any of Lawrie Pardy's SwingDing fonts, you may notice how many characters are used just for flow instructions.
3265
General Discussion / Re: Audit Bug (Beta 2.03)
David, I don't think this will be a problem to fix. NWC simply has call the proper routine depending on the format in the clipboard.

I agree with you that File->New should not pause at the info screen.
3266
General Discussion / Re: Audit Bug (Beta 2.03)
Quote from: carlsson –
... if I copy some bars from an open score, some garbage or nothing appears when I paste that into a new file.
Confirmed. I also got an ACCESS_VIOLATION once.  A clip from an open score has an extra format: NoteWorthy Composer 2 Ctl+Shft+v seems to get confused when this format is present.

I saved the clip to a file and reloaded it. Same problem.
3268
General Discussion / Re: Rests -- alignment (NWC ver 1.75d)
You can also use a hidden grace note with: Lyric Syllable: Always
This avoids the extra beat and bar line.

If you want the playback to be correct, make the grace note pitches the same as the first note and tie the grace note to it. Set both notes to: Lyric Syllable: Always
3269
General Discussion / Special Endings and ties. Visual glitch
The help entry for Special Endings says:
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The special ending containing the first ending must always appear before any other special ending, and must be concluded using a Master Repeat Close bar line.
This always seemed arbitrary to me.  I don't see why the ties should look different in this clip:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:-8^,-5^
|Bar
|Ending|Endings:1,2,3
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-8,-5
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Bar|Style:Double
|Ending|Endings:4
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Chord|Dur:Whole|Pos:-8,-5
|Bar|Style:SectionClose
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:-8^,-5^
|Bar
|Ending|Endings:2,3
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-8,-5
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Bar|Style:Double
|Ending|Endings:4
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Chord|Dur:Whole|Pos:-8,-5
|Bar|Style:SectionClose
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
I can work around it, but IMO, I shouldn't have to.
3271
General Discussion / Re: Audit Bug (Beta 2.03)
10 days from bug report to fix!

Here's an obscure one. Run Audit Note Stems on:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th|Pos2:0
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-4
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th|Pos2:0
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-4
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
1st triplet is correct. Grace note causes problem in 2nd triplet. A minor thing, but ...
3273
General Discussion / Re: Triplet notation appearing in wrong place
Quote from: fitzclan –
... I am not sure I understand the whole white out thing. ...
Tools->Options...->Colors
Click on one of: Highlight 1 - Highlight 7
Change...
Set: Red:, Green:, and Blue: to 255
Click on OK

Any object you set to this color via: Properties...->Visibility->Item color will be rendered as "white", overwriting anything that was rendered before it. The "g" character in the Webdings font is a nice big block that will "whiteout" a lot.

As to your flag problem, post a clip and I'll see if I can visually flip the bracket.
3274
General Discussion / Audit Bug (Beta 2.03)
Another bug in this release.
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Chord|Dur:Half,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:Whole,Grace|Pos2:2
|Note|Dur:Half,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down
|Chord|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:Half,Grace|Pos2:2
|Note|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down
|Chord|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th,Grace|Pos2:2
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down
|Chord|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First|Dur2:4th,Grace|Pos2:2
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Invoking: Tools->Audit Note Stems
on the above clip changes the duration of the Chord in all but the last (beamed) group.

Even worse: Select the entire staff and click the Stem Up button. Durations change and stems disappear.
3275
General Discussion / Re: Triplet notation appearing in wrong place
Quote from: fitzclan –
How about this? ...
It won't work with NWC 1.75b
This (NWC2 only) variation is a bit cleaner. 
[glow=red,2,300]Layer:[/glow]
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]!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Pos:-1z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Pos:1z|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Pos:-1z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1|Color:2
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Pos:1z|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=1|Color:2
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar|SysBreak:Y
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
[glow=red,2,300]With:[/glow]
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Muted
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3z|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=1,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Muted
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3z|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=1,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Muted
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3z|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=1,Muted|Color:2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Muted
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3z|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=1,Muted|Color:2
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
The method in bar 2 requires Highlight 2 set to "white"
A problem arises if the line needs to be expanded for justification.
IOW, it looks a lot better in Print Preview if you uncheck Force System Break on the last bar.

IMO, NWC2 should not add justification space:
  • around notes whose visibility is set to never
  • before the first note in a bar
  • before the first note in a staff
  • after the last note in a bar
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General Discussion / Re: Triplet notation appearing in wrong place
As Lawrie says, the stem direction of the rest is controlling.
In NWC2, you can do this:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:2
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:3
|RestChord|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,VertOffset=16|Dur2:4th|Pos2:1
|Text|Text:"g"|Font:User1|Pos:15|Justify:Right|Color:2
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:-3
|RestChord|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem,VertOffset=-6|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|Text|Text:"g"|Font:User1|Pos:-13|Justify:Right|Color:2
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:-3
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Set Highlight 2 to "white" and Font:User 1 to Webdings, sized to about 125% of the System Font.
You may have to experiment with the Vertical Offset of the rests, which (unfortunately) must be done before you make it a RestChord.

A similar method should also work in NWC 1.75b
3278
General Discussion / Midi Input Bug (Beta 2.03)
If you Export a song containing all muted staves and try to Import it, you get:

ACCESS_VIOLATION in module NWC2.EXE at 0001:00052eb3

Win98 really did not like this.  Explorer locked up and no programs would close.
A "three finger salute" was needed.

Here is the file that caused the lock-up (as reported by mf2t):
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MFile 1 2 192
MTrk
0 Meta SeqName "SONG01"
0 Meta Text "By <Name>"
0 Meta Copyright "Copyright \xa9 2006 <Name>"
0 Meta Copyright "All Rights Reserved"
0 Meta Text "Generated by NoteWorthy Composer"
0 KeySig 0 major
0 TimeSig 4/4 24 8
0 Meta TrkEnd
TrkEnd
MTrk
0 Meta 0x21 00
0 Meta TrkName "Staff"
0 Par ch=1 c=7 v=127
0 Par ch=1 c=10 v=64
0 Meta TrkEnd
TrkEnd
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General Discussion / Re: Playback of colliding notes
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
G'day Rick,
I just did some testing and I'm not totally convinced that it is all NWC...
[snip] the Yamaha was almost perfect.  Just a hint of cut off in the finel Eb of the triplet in the first 2 bars but you really have to listen for it.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
I looked at the midi output for the clip. In the 1st measure, two simutaneous A flat note on's are generated. I could well imagine that some sound cards might ignore one while others would send one to an unused channel.  Reverb and 3D enhancement could lessen the cutoff of the later A flat. 

But notation is not midi and midi is not notation.  I would think that part of a good notation to midi translation would be to look at more than just each note in isolation.

A 15 channel (or # of staves) by 127 note array could track how many notes are currently on and the timing of the note off's could be adjusted accordingly.

I don't want to beat this to death. It just seems that the implementation is less than optimal.
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General Discussion / Playback of colliding notes
In the following clip, I have used a flute and trasposition to make the problem easier to hear, but it can still be heard if the instrument path is removed.

As a piano player, I would play each measure the same way.  NWC2 plays them differently.  I would expect to hear measure 3 in each case. In measure 1, NWC2 effectively ignores the initial half note A flat. In measure 2, it cuts the 5th note (also an A flat) off too short, making it sound like a staccato.

IMO, NWC2 needs to be a bit more intelligent in this area. I don't expect it to analyze all staves on the same midi channel, but it ought to be able to look a 1 staff in context.

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:Bb,Eb,Ab
|Instrument|Name:"Flute"|Patch:73|Trans:24|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127|Pos:9
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-3,1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:-3,2
|Bar
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-3,1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:-3,2
|Bar
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-3^,1^
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:1,3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-3,1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:-3,2
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
3284
General Discussion / Re: Dotted half note time signature
Quote from: David Palmquist –
... the publisher made the height of the 1/2 equal to the height of the 3, with the 4 centered below the entire 4 characthers of the 3 1/2.

It's finicky trying to get it to look right in NWC ...

If you must have it look absolutely right, use a font editor to change Zero (or some other unused meter #) in the system font to ½ and put the TimeSig in as 30/4, followed by an invisible 7/8
3285
General Discussion / Re: Dotted half note time signature
Worhing from David's idea, something like this should work for you.
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Text|Text:"   ½"|Font:StaffBold|Pos:2
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4
|TimeSig|Signature:7/8|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:Half,DblDotted|Pos2:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Given the rarity, I think NWC2 handles this pretty well.
3286
General Discussion / Re: Level headed beams?
Quote from: David Palmquist –
I think an unflagged / unbeamed stem normally has a value of 7

This clip should alter your thinking.
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-8|Opts:StemLength=8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:8|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:8|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:9|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:9|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=5
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Also, if you put this clip on a staff with 16 lines, you may see that the default lengths are not always whole numbers.
3287
General Discussion / Re: Level headed beams?
Quote from: NoteWorthy Online –
... in the absence of a user override, a note doesn't have a stem length until it is visually rendered. This is why nothing is shown in the box.

In the absence of a user override, a note sometimes has a non integer stem length (e.g. 5.5).
The spin box routine would need to be like the one in Page Setup->Margins.

It would be a large improvement if NWC2 allowed decimal stem length and note/accidental spacing. Negative note/accidental spacing would help as well.

A negative stem length could indicate Stem=Down.  This might simplify User Tools.

just dreaming ....
3288
General Discussion / Re: Problem with staff groupings
Quote from: K.A.T. –
It would be nice if we control over the Starting Bar, just as we have control over the Ending Bar:
I agree.

To have an open bar on the left in a layered solo part you might try this workaround:

Save the page(s) as emf(s) (Or use GhostScript to print it as a file).
Using Irfanview, crop off the bar lines on the left side.

Isn't it time to eliminate the option to Extend last system, since Force System Break works so much better?
3290
General Discussion / Re: Nested triplets - a challenge?
Assuming an initial Tempo of Q=80 and a reasonable Staff Italic font size, this would seem to satisfy the intent, both musically and visually. This, of course, will complicate the other staves.
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Bar
|Tempo|Base:Quarter Dotted|Tempo:80|Pos:6|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:12/8|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th,Slur
|Text|Text:"3"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:10|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:-3^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:3^|Opts:Stem=Down,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-3,3z|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=1
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:3
|Note|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:b3^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:b3
|Text|Text:"3"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:12|Justify:Right
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet,Slur|Pos:b2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Tempo|Tempo:80|Text:"T°"|Pos:6|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:Common|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:n0
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
BTW, how are you interpreting the 2nd measure of 2Ellingtons_nested_triplet.jpg ?
It seems to have too many beats.
3291
General Discussion / Re: Grace note positioning bug
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
You could adjust stem length on one staff so that the flags align correctly..
or just change the grace notes on the bottom staff to quarter notes.

I don't see why a layer is needed here. This:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:4,n6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:5,7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:2,6,b8
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:4,6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:5,7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:2,6,8
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:n3,5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:4,6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:#1,5,7
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:3,5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:4,6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:1,5,7
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:2,4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:n3,5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:n0,4,6
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:2,4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:3,5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:0,4,6
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:#1,n3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th,Grace|Pos:2,4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:0,n3,5
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
seems to be what you want.
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General Discussion / Re: Nested triplets - a challenge?
Quote from: Carl Bangs –
This is even clearer. As long as the musicians know that the eighth note triplets start on beat 4, all will be fine.
Clearer perhaps, but wrong. The eighth note triplets don't start on beat 4. They start after beat 4. Since they are triplets within triplets, they consume less than 1 beat. This is not possible to do precisely at any speed, but some attempt should be made; otherwise, one might as well write:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Rest|Dur:4th,Triplet=First
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:b3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:b2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Quote from: David Palmquist –
Pity I can't do it without layered staffs.
You can. just use my method and center a text italic 3 on the center note of the eight triplet.


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General Discussion / Re: Nested triplets - a challenge?
Or this:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Pos:3
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:b3
|Rest|Dur:4th,Triplet|Opts:Stem=Up|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:b2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
and fudge the meter and tempo
3294
General Discussion / Re: Software limitations or cheap sound card?
Quote from: Christian Grantz –
also is there someway i could go about increaseing how much the pitch bend bends?


If you are using an external synth you may be able to edit its global parameters.  If you are lucky, they won't get reset by windows or your sound card driver.

As Lawrie says, if you are using Win98,  a Data Entry MSB might change the pitch bend range.  Ask in the NWC2 Forum and I'll post a clip that works with my SBAWE32 under '98 but won't work with XP.  I don't like to post clips here as they confuse folks who only use NWC 1.75b
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General Discussion / Re: Bizare behaviour
Audit Bar Lines is mis-named.  It will never remove or flag a bar line in the wrong place, so how could this be considered an audit?

It acts much more like Automatic Beam than Audit Accidentals.  Automatic Beam will never remove beams, just insert them where it thinks appropriate.

Auto Insert Bar Lines would be more descriptive.  IMO, most of the problem would be solved if its name reflected what it did instead of raising expectations that, some day, it would live up to the name that it has.
Never mind. David has proved me to be incorrect in the next post.
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General Discussion / Re: Lyric across bar-line
This was just discussed the the beta newsgroup as:
"Question for choir members and other singers"

An attachment there shows a workaround using layers and "missing" barlines. It's called "Lyric Spacing.nwc"  I haven't upgraded my account so I can't link to to here.
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General Discussion / Re: Bizare behaviour
Quote from: Cyril Alberga –
But the example at hand [...] is piano music ...

Exactly. So you have at most 3 staves. Easy to use  layers and mute the duplicate notes.  Not so easy if you have to layer each instrument in a score in order to sound notes twice.

I do mostly piano music. For me, it would be great if NoteWorthy noticed that I have 8 staves set to the same midi channel and all set to piano. It could weed out all the duplicates. But this is a bit much to ask of a program that costs < $100USD.

OTOH, you have folks like Tina Buffet who have thousands of hours in orchestral scores, who might not like it if this behaviour changed.
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General Discussion / Re: Bizare behaviour
Quote from: user111 –
I did one in "NWC 1.75" without layering. However, doing it that way affects the MIDI playback of the notes. That means that the two notes on the same beat will be played at the same time, making those notes louder than the other ones.

Which, (if you are doing a score and already have 18 staves or so and don't want to add more) is just what you want to have happen, if say, two trumpets on the same staff play the same note. 

NWC2 usually does what a new user will want by default. IMO, that is what it should do.